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EDIT: Just got my hands on a BioMaxx 300 so I will be writing a comprehensive comparison review/follow up post on this vs. the illuminate LED soon. Probably late October/dec. I’m still not a fan of the Celluma.

Hey chicas! Check out what I found! This is an aggregate of 4,000+ clinical studies supporting LED therapy effectiveness and all of it's various treatment options (anti-aging, collagen production, hair, wrinkle reduction, skin firmness, fat loss, hair growth production etc). Some Finnish med student compiled this I think?

What the hell is this and why should I care you ask? TLDR: Without a doubt, LEDs work. Currently what is being studied is how they work. This is a quick and dirty oversimplified summary for those that don't care about the science behind it from one of the leading researchers.

For the longest time people thought infared lasers where amazing for antiaging etc. Then NASA 🚀 conducted an experiment in space on wound healing and found red LEDs made wounds heal like super fast, like shockingly impressively fast. Then everyone was like WOAH maybe it's not just the lasers that are awesome, maybe it's the infared too! And these studies support that yup, it is the infared too (although lasers are still great!). There are also studies showing the same results regardless of whether infared lasers or infared LEDs are used (keep in mind this is higher grade stuff you likely can't get your hands on unless you're in the industry), but more and more OTC devices are becoming available, and at varying levels of efficacy. Which is why we are here, to learn, to get the most bang for our buck, and to not waste money by being misinformed.

Still skeptical? This sounds like some flat-earth, anti-vaxx, hocus pocus bullshit you say? Well, I can assure you it certainly is not, here is a presentation given at the United Nations. Also Olympic athletes, doctors and celebrities use this too, just sayin’

You should care because LEDs are a more cost effective treatment option for preventative aging techniques and celebrities use this technology but keep it on the DL. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I don’t plan on aging, I'd rather wear sunscreen religiously and chill by some LEDs than get microneedling, botox, chemical peels etc. That is expensive/painful and if there's something that will work synergistically with those treatments or allow me to delay using them, I want in. Not saying that those options don't work, they absolutely do! But, I want to try something less invasive first, especially while I am in my 20s. Plus, I'm not a celebrity and I straight up cannot afford those treatments, but I can afford a long term investment that can be shared with my friends and family. 💁🏻‍♀️

Everyone should be able to access information that allows them to look their best, and information/beauty shouldn’t be reserved for the wealthy. 😘 As long as I’m talking about economic discrepancies and the gross economic inequalities within the US, shout-out to Dr. Dray for helping those without access to healthcare still get quality opinions on how they can help treat themselves so people can make informed decisions without wasting their money on pseudoscience and marketing. LEDs can also be used to assist pain management (such as arthritis, diabetic neuropathy) and is something that can be shared with older family members, thus having multi-generational benefits 💸

NOT 👏 ALL 👏 LED DEVICES 👏 ARE 👏 CREATED 👏 EQUAL 👏

(IT DEPENDS ON POWER OUTPUT J/CM2 & PROXIMITY & WAVELENGTH)

Let's discuss! First and foremost, I saw another user on here had posted LED blue light therapy did nothing for her acne, and I believe her. Hormonal acne will not be cleared by antimicrobial blue light and she most likely had hormonal acne. That being said, I talked to my mom and she said there's quite a bit of literature on LED therapy, therapeutic uses and side effects in Japan. It seems like in the USA there's still fledgling adoption (and a TON of people who are like, there's no negative side effects, you don't need eye protection, it will cure cancer and slice and dice and do your laundry too!) which I give major side eye to 🤨. It will not do these things and you should 100% wear eyewear. Don't be stupid and take unnecessary risks ladies. However, there is significant scientific data supporting LED therapy will increase collagen, have anti-aging effects and do all sorts of peripheral non-beauty related things. I'd like to find out:

1.) If you're in Asia, or a country that has adopted LED therapy more than the US has (I suspect we are tragically behind the same way our sunscreen sucks), what kind of clinical data do you have on it? Are there recommended dosing guidelines? Ex: A 640nm wavelength red LED light, stand in front for 30min a day 3x/week, again see 3371 below

2.) For anyone that has used this therapy, what were your results? I'm hearing a lot of good anecdotal stories, and would like more. Please be detailed, and if it didn't work, what was the power output, did you give it the recommended amount of time and what wavelength was used? I hear LEDs need to be used consistently

3.) Does anyone know anything about Celluma? There's a ton of LEDs on the market (Joov, BioMax, Celluma, Red Rush etc) but it seems Celluma is FDA indicated for reducing wrinkles/fine lines/acne etc and has a wound healing indication in the EU which is interesting. I also spoke with a Celluma rep who told me the company is currently undergoing peripheral neuropathy trials, so this product seems legit however I am skeptical as hell and other than this YouTube video can't seem to find any reviews of it that aren't just text based quotes from aestheticians. I also am skeptical of it's lack of negative reviews. I’d like to talk to someone that owns one. (EDIT AS OF 11/1/19, I've done more research and I have ruled out Celluma for multiple reasons, in addition to not being able to speak to anyone that legit owns one/has used it and can vouch for it)

4.) I'm hoping others will find this as interesting and compelling as I do so we can crowdsource our knowledge especially with our overseas sisters, because while the medical device approval process by the FDA seems pretty shoddy compared to that of pharmaceuticals (whaaaat?! No clinical trials necessary?!?) the ancedotal and clinical data can't be denied.

IT'S 👏NEVER 👏TOO 👏LATE 👏FOR 👏PREVENTATIVE 👏AGING, WHOSE WITH ME? 🙌

EDIT: Similar to the infamous eyelash curler thread, where we crowdsourced data on optical curvatures, my intention here is to crowdsource data on what wavelength/color/pulse activity LEDs are in higher end face masks (ex: Dr.Gross SpectraLite, Celluma etc) because there are lots of LED face masks at unaffordable prices and my aim is to crowdsource so we can all benefit. Most companies list online, or you can talk to a customer service rep, and they will tell you what the power output, spectrometer reading and wavelengths are. As Class II Medical devices, this data is available! Example see pg.8. However, please keep in mind it is not as simple as just wavelength, other aspects to measure are intensity, treatment dose, time used, distance held etc. This is already somewhat organized in the clinical trial spreadsheet, but I highly recommend you WATCH THIS as a primer, or at the very least watch the first and last 10 minutes. Remember not to treat this as a definitive guide and to view everything with a skeptical lense as this is an American perspective. My mom translated some Japanese info for me and obviously this doesn’t have zero side effects as many claim which is why we should work together and keep safety in mind. For example, if you get migraines, this is not for you! I like the format of the original spreadsheet and would like to keep track of LED face masks and body panels in a similar fashion😊 We need to spend more time poking around not only the specs of devices on the market, but also the “parameters” section of the spreadsheet so we can compare the ranges of what we can buy to what yields the optimal results for anti-aging** **

FINAL EDIT & UPDATE AS OF 8/6/22: Ok, I've gotten a LOT of DMs regarding this, and I posted a comment with my final thoughts, but adding here too just in case. After testing all of these personally, I think the illuminateLED is superior. I'm not affiliated with any of these companies, nor do I get anything out of this. I'm just a fan of research and enjoyed working in dermatology. That being said, the illuminateLED is imo superior for a few reasons. One, it's a completely different class than any of the BioMaxx etc types, which look like repurposed marijuana grow lights. These are heavier, and produce more heat. With that heaviness, comes a lack of ease of use, and a louder fan noise to reduce the heat. I don't think the fan is effective in reducing heat and heat is NOT something that should be combined with these sort of treatments. Ultimately I ended up purchasing the BioMaxx because it's what I could afford, but I no longer use it even though I own it. I don't use it because of the heat, and again, it's just inconvenient. Ultimately a lot of medical devices and drugs come down to patient ease of use, you could have the most efficacious drug in the world but if taking it is a pain, then patients are not going to be compliant. I also can't get over my sneaking suspicion that repurposed marijuana grow lights can't offer the finesse and level of fine tuned wavelengths that things like the Celluma and illuminateLED can. So, it comes down to the Celluma and illuminateLED, with illuminateLED being the winner because of the science and technology. I read Celluma's white papers etc, and the blinking and flashing lights, there's no clinical evidence supporting that is superior. It's marketing. I don't trust any company that cannot reasonably explain their studies. I spent a solid few hours on the phone with higher ups at both Celluma and illuminateLED and only illuminateLED could answer my questions to my satisfaction. Both companies thought I was a doctor, I'm not, but I share this to express the detailed level of questions I was asking and my knowledge on this subject matter. The Celluma is overpriced and when you combine wavelengths on one panel, you're getting a weaker version of them unless you're wearing it for much longer. You can't beat 5 minutes of lying under a flat, portable surface and I did see a noticeable skin improvement after using the illuminateLED. It's a better price and a better deal for your money. The one downside I will say about the illuminateLED is that the edges of the handles after being bent quite a bit did start to show wear and tear, but I was folding and unfolding it daily. I would say if you purchase this, keep it folded so you're not constantly bending it, and keep in mind there is a 5 year warranty. So, final conclusion, I'm selling my BioMaxx if anyone wants to buy it. I'm saving up to purchase an illuminateLED.

I’m going to post the cell number of articles in the spreadsheet I think are worth skimming. Honestly it all is, but I’m going to assume some care more about anti-aging/reverse aging and want the latest update, PM me and I’ll add your number too. Also on the spreadsheet scroll to the right to read the summary results:

*1053 (Chinese book, can anyone in China speak to the popularity of this/is there an English version?)
*1487 (29,000 patients studied over 27 years)
*1501 Collaborative international comparison
* 3371 (overview of dosing parameters)
*3385 (potential benefits of pulsing vs. continuous LEDs)
*3388 (if we test on ourselves at home, how we should report our results)

*3392 (information that is missing from many studies)